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Re: [westasianconlangs] Fwd: borrowed translation



Hi Issac,

You are right. Sorry for my misunderstanding. I'm not used to the 'stem' classification of verbs and I mistakenly read 'Stem II' in your post as 'Form II' :0) I wonder why Japanese textbooks don't use 'Stem' system.

Anyway, thank you for your input on Hebrew, which I haven't taken up yet. Seems I would enjoy learning Hebrew grammar very much :-)

Btw, in 'A Dictionary of Egyptian Arabic of Cairo' by Badawi & Hinds, there are many quadriliteral verbs which you don't find in MSA dictionaries.

Kay



Isaac Penzev wrote:
Kay wrote:


No. Forms of Quadriliteral verbs are different from those of triliteral
verbs. Although Form I of quadriliteral verbs is conjugated like Form II
of triliteral verbs, they are not identical and treated as different forms.


That's exactly what I meant. In Hebrew they are treated as one form (Stem III or
binyan-Pi"el) because they are conjugated in the same way:
perfect _tirgem_ as _dibber_
imperfect _y6targem_ as _y6dabber_
act ppl _m6targem_ as _m6dabber_
Isn't it the same in Arabic? I look into the table and see (both marked as Stem
II, btw!):
perfect _tarjama_, _sallama_
imperfect _yutarjimu_, _yusallimu_
act ppl _mutarjim_, _musallim_
For my practical purposes that's more than enough. I don't care if theoretically
they are considered different.

ObConlang: I have not yet found any true quadriliteral verbs in Ugaritic
material, but if I find any (or borrow from other Semitic natlangs),
"Newgaritic" will treat them as Intensive Stem (qattala).

-- Yitzik


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