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> --- In jboske@yahoogroups.com, Jorge "Llamb�as" <jjllambias2000@y...>
> > An optional addition to XS (but not to be considered as a part of
> > the basic proposal) is to use loi/lei for {lo tu'o}/{le tu'o}, i.e. for
> > Substance, so xodium would be {loi marjrxodiumu} with no need to
> > glork the inner tu'o.
>
> I was wondering why something like this wasn't worked-on before.
> Since the major proposals so far focus mainly, some almost
> exclusively, on lo and le, why bring the other gadri into the picture?
Why not consider them, you mean?
Several reasons:
* Earlier versions of XS did make use of loi/lei & in some versions
lo'i/le'i, but these involved a lot of changes from CLL. The fewer the
differences from CLL, the more politically acceptable the solution.
* Current XS is very compositional. It achieves its meanings in what
is logically the right way, by means of quantifiers and cardinalities.
The other gadri are logically redundant.
* The meanings XS gives to bare lo and bare le are the respectively
commonest ones: it is fitting that the shortest forms should belong
to the most commonly needed meanings.
> I for one actually figured that {loi} would be good for Kind, or
> Mister, or whatever, leaving {lo} still to be (potentially)
> extensional, but unspecified (what Nick said before was exactly what I
> had been thinking. When I say "I see a bird," I don't know which bird
> I'm seeing, it's unspecified, but it isn't the Kind. It's *a*
> *particular* bird, whose identity I neither know nor care about.
For this you need an outer su'o or pa, whether overt or covert. (The
Kind is not implausible for "I see a bird", though.)
> Not the same as "I love sitting on a pretty girl's lap" with the
> understanding that any pretty girl will do). This does leave Stuff
> out of the equation (at this point), though.
Whatever the gadri, Stuff = cardinality tu'o.
--And.