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John:
> Nick the Weasel asserts that while du'u is not factive ("it [must] have a
> predicate and arguments, [no more]"), nu is factive ("what it describes
> truly happens in the world")
>
> I have (consistently, I think) asserted both within and outwith CLL that
> the latter is untrue. The event of Nixon being elected President in '68
> is no more and no less an event than the event of McGovern being elected etc.,
> even though the former cu fasnu and the latter, on the contrary, na fasnu
Is the detective Sherlock Holmes less of a detective than the detective
Alan Pinkerton [or some other RL detective]?
If No, then you, me and Nick should all agree and we just need to get
to the bottom of the misunderstanding.
If Yes, then nu is radically inconsistent with the rest of the
language, because it is a Kind, and in a Rectified Lojban I would
want to get rid of the inconsistency.
> It is in fact proper that notions like "truly happens in the world"
> be expressed
> in Lojban with full predicates rather than implicitly by grammatical
> machinery: Use The Brivla, Luke
But all Nick meant was that "ro nu broda cu fasnu", i.e.
"every nu-event happens". The "truly in the world" bit is just
implicit in all nonintensional predicates. The disagreement is
about whether nu should be allowed to be an intensional predicate,
given that Lojban has no others.
--And.