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Re: [jboske] la, lai, me



In a message dated 10/16/2002 9:26:01 AM Central Daylight Time, cowan@hidden.email writes:

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> >     la BALtazar cu me le ci nolraitru
> >     Balthazar is one of the three kings.
> Why repeat that strange {me} in the explanation?  Surely just {du} does it.

No, that asserts that the name "Balthazar" and "the three kings" are
co-referential.

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Oops, yes; it should be {du pa}.

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The Randall Holmes "me" means "x1 is among the referents of the governed
sumti", and so is not referentially transparent.
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Whether it is referentially transparent or not depends on the sumti, but once we can get a connection to the referent of the sumti (and we always can) {me} is a waste of a good cmavo.  JCB had it right originally and it was foolish (not to mention superfluous)  to have changed it.  {me} should be the brivla relativized in {pe}, as intended.

(Maybe I should quit bitching and just invent a new -- longer -- cmavo for the purpose:
{pe'e'e} sounds to me like "posesses" (with a bad lisp) and sorta fits in with And's most useful recent weirdness, {poi'i} -- which I like a lot.)