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John: > pycyn@hidden.email scripsit: > > > > The example in CLL is: > > > > > > la BALtazar cu me le ci nolraitru > > > Balthazar is one of the three kings. > > Why repeat that strange {me} in the explanation? Surely just {du} does it. > > No, that asserts that the name "Balthazar" and "the three kings" are > co-referential. > > The Randall Holmes "me" means "x1 is among the referents of the governed > sumti", and so is not referentially transparent. Maybe a light bulb will go on over my head, but so far I see it pc's way. Maybe {la BALtazar cu me lu le ci nolraitru} would be such that it ought to have the holmesian meaning. Same goes for {la BALtazar cu me la'i ci nolraitru}. But as things stand, the x2 of me fails to export to the prenex in an ordinary way, & I'm confident we would find logical problems aplenty with that. It's quite easy to say "Balthazat is one of the three kings" in other ways: la baltazar cu cmima le'i ci nolraitru la baltazar cu du su'o le ci nolraitru la baltazar cu me su'o le ci nolraitru [-- if me works in the ordinary way] FWIW, for me, {me} means "x1 has the property of x2hood", "x1 has the haecceity/seity of x2, with the haecceity/seity being reconceived as quiddity". By "haecceity/seity" I mean the properties that form the truth-conditions for {du}, and by "quiddity" I mean the properties that form the truth conditions for {(na) frica} (= mintu?). Feel free to correct my use of these terms, but rocognize that that is incidental to the point I am making. --And.