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Re: [engelang] reformulating the core grammar



On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 6:03 PM, And Rosta <and.rosta@hidden.email> wrote: 

Mike S., On 29/09/2012 20:52:

> On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 2:48 PM, And Rosta <and.rosta@hidden.email <mailto:and.rosta@hidden.email>> wrote:
> 1. word-classes: Interjection, Unary-op, Binary-op, Formula (= Simple Formula), Formula-root
>
> Why would Formula-root be among the word-classes? Isn't the
> distinction between Formula-root and Formula somewhat analogous to
> that between noun phrases and nouns in English?

Highly analogous. The 'structural head' of a 'noun phrase' beginning with an article is the article, and the noun itself can be deeply subordinated, e.g. [a [very [easy [book] [to read]] indeed]]. But the 'distributional head' is the noun; the noun triggers number concord on verbs; the full phrase can alternate with a bare noun. Similarly, in the phrase Jorge calls 'formula', the distributional head is the simple-formula.

Yes, a bare noun can alternate with a full noun phrase just as simple-formula can alternate with a formula.  In these cases, what do you consider to be the structural head of the noun phrase, and what do you consider to be the formula-root?   I take it the bare noun and simple formula themselves?

 
The reason why formula-root is a word class is that it captures the notion 'structural head of a phrase whose distributional head is a (simple) formula'.

But intuitively the "real" word-classes are just Interjection, Formula, Unary-op and Binary-op.  In order to be a word class, Formula-root would subsume (or be subsumed by) one or more of these, wouldn't it? 

 
> 2. A formula-root is a formula or a word whose complement is a formula-root
> 3. Interjections and Formula-roots have no complements.
>
> Would it be more accurate to say:
>
> 2. A formula-root is a formula or (the ?combination of ) any word
> with all its one or more complementary formula-roots>
> ?

It wouldn't be more accurate in the phrasing with "the combination of", since I was using a formulation that uses only terminal nodes. The phrasing "A formula-root is a formula or any word with all its one or more complementary formula-roots" seems to me to be equivalent to the wording I gave.

--And.

What confuses me is that (2) seems to say that formula-root can be a word that has a complement; meanwhile (3) flatly says that formula root has no complements.  In order to reconcile that, I would think that the formula-root of (2) and (3) is a constituent class that's possibly but not necessarily a word, but (1) contradicts that idea by naming formula-root as a word class.

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