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And Rosta scripsit: > Both Paulie and Larry are avatars of Mr Carnivore. I think you are forgetting that Paulie is a parrot; if he is an avatar of Mr. Meat-eater, it is only because he is an avatar of Mr. Bird, and Mr. Bird eats meat. (Because of the ambiguity of "carnivore", I am going to stop using it altogether.) > certainly a subkind of Mr Carnivore, I meant to ask about this before. Surely subkind relationships are rather rare: Mr. Polar Bear is subkind of Mr. Bear and of Mr. Eats-no-plants, but Mr. Bear is not a subkind of Mr. Eats-no-plants nor vice versa. The more typical case will be overlap, as between Mr. Bear and Mr. Eats-no-plants, or Mr. Bird and Mr. Blue: some individuals are avatars of both -- Yes, chili in the eye is bad, but so is your John Cowan ear. However, I would suggest you wash your jcowan@hidden.email hands thoroughly before going to the toilet. http://www.reutershealth.com --gadicath http://www.ccil.org/~cowan