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Re: [jboske] Mr. Bird and other carnivores



xorxes:
> la and cusku di'e
> > john:
> > > And Rosta cusku di'e
> > > 
> > > > I think it is fair to say that when you see Paulie you have seen Mr
> > > > Carnivore.
> 
> I don't agree. Paulie the canary cannot be an avatar of Mr Carnivore.
> Mr Carnivore and Mr Bird are not the same Individual.

Did I misunderstand/misremember the example? I thought Paulie was a 
carnivorous bird. If I got that wrong, then everything else I said must 
have been total bollocks. 

If I originally had understood the example, I can't now reconstruct my
original reasoning for saying what I said.

> > Mr Polar Bear is
> > certainly a subkind of Mr Carnivore, but I would be inclined to say
> > that he isn't an avatar of Mr C, though all avatars of Mr PB are
> > avatars of Mr C. 
> 
> Right. I would reserve the word avatar for the conventional individuals.
> Mr Bird is not an avatar of Mr Carnivore, nor an avatar of Mr Blue. 
> Mr Bird sometimes is a carnivore, and sometimes is blue, that's all.
> 
> > Anyway, while I accept that seeing Paulie and
> > Larry can count as seeing the same thing (viz Mr C), 
> 
> Why would seeing Paulie count as seeing Mr C? Mr C and Mr Bird have
> avatars in common, but Paulie is not one of them.

I had thought he was. 

--And.