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john: > And Rosta cusku di'e > > > I think it is fair to say that when you see Paulie you have seen Mr > > Carnivore. > > If that were true, seeing *anything* would count as seeing Mr. ro bu'a, > which is absurd. For if seeing Paulie counts as seeing Mr. Carnivore, > since Mr. Carnivore includes Larry the polar bear, seeing Paulie > would count as seeing Mr. Polar Bear. I can't work out your reasoning in order to find the flaw. Both Paulie and Larry are avatars of Mr Carnivore. Mr Polar Bear is certainly a subkind of Mr Carnivore, but I would be inclined to say that he isn't an avatar of Mr C, though all avatars of Mr PB are avatars of Mr C. Anyway, while I accept that seeing Paulie and Larry can count as seeing the same thing (viz Mr C), I don't accept that it follows that seeing Paulie counts as seeing a polar bear (or Mr PB). --And.