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la xod cusku di'e > > I think you and I agree. We just have different ideas about > > which of the two situations is more basic/frequent. > > Is this my western culture bias? I find it hard to consider constituent > individuals as less basic than the groups they can form at times. That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that it is more common, when talking about a group, to talk about properties that the group has as a whole than about properties that all the members share. It is more basic because it is logically simpler: in one case you are talking about a single instance of the relationship, in the other case about as many instances of the relationship as there are members. > > Hopefully we both agree that {le pa broda} and {lei pa broda} are > > equivalent ways of refering to an individual, given that a single > > individual taken "one at a time" is equivalent to a single individual > > taken "together". > > Except I think the latter form is at best unhelpful and misleading (Grice. > Grice.), But both are Griceanly inadequate to the same extent, in that one insists about emergence and the other insists about distributivity when neither concept applies. > and at worst an interesting koan like zi'o crino -- given that I > think loi'a should be used to draw the reader's attention to emergent > properties, and no properties emerge from a collective with only one > member. And no property is distributable among one member either. mu'o mi'e xorxes __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com