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Lojbab: > At 12:43 AM 1/13/03 +0000, And Rosta wrote: > > > If A is true if zo'e is interpreted as "3", then why do we want > > anything else? > > > > > > zo'e means "some value that makes the sentence true" > > > >Surely not! Else every sentence with an ellipsis would be true by > >definition! > > Of course. We presume that pragmatically people say things they want to > communicate as being true I see now what you meant. > > > zi'o is appropriate > > > if no value makes sense at all as in Cowan's example of an > > > untranslatable joke > > > >That's not really what zi'o means, but I don't want to get into > >a discussion about this now. I'm not sure whether you know what > >it means and just described it poorly: you said that zi'o catra > >is meaningless to you, which isn't a good sign > > zi'o means what CLL and the cmavo list say it means until/unless the byfy > changes it. I'll be satisfied if Cowan (or someone else) gives me a > practical example of when one would say zi'o catra, and it would indeed > have something to do with catra and not merely morsi binxo Why must it have something to do with catra and not merely morsi binxo? Catra is a 2-place predicate. Catra be fa zi'o is a different predicate. --And.