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On Fri, Jan 10, 2003 at 03:28:11PM -0600, Jordan DeLong wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 10, 2003 at 08:43:04AM -0500, John Cowan wrote:
> > Nick the Weasel asserts that while du'u is not factive ("it [must] have a
> > predicate and arguments, [no more]"), nu is factive ("what it describes
> > truly happens in the world").
> >
> > I have (consistently, I think) asserted both within and outwith CLL that
> > the latter is untrue. The event of Nixon being elected President in '68
> > is no more and no less an event than the event of McGovern being elected etc.,
> > even though the former cu fasnu and the latter, on the contrary, na fasnu.
> > (Digression: Although "on the contrary" is now firmly lexicalized, it was
> > once an application of Aristotelian logic: "Nixon elected" and "McGovern
> > elected" are Aristotelian contraries, as they cannot both be true.)
> >
> > It is in fact proper that notions like "truly happens in the world" be expressed
> > in Lojban with full predicates rather than implicitly by grammatical
> > machinery: Use The Brivla, Luke.
>
> Um. "ka'e" and "ca'a"? Those are elliptical by default anyway---so
> nixon is a ca'a nu and mcgovern is a ka'e nu.
To elaborate, this means both of them fasnu also. But Mcgovern na
ca'a fasnu.
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