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On Fri, Jan 10, 2003 at 08:43:04AM -0500, John Cowan wrote:
> Nick the Weasel asserts that while du'u is not factive ("it [must] have a
> predicate and arguments, [no more]"), nu is factive ("what it describes
> truly happens in the world").
>
> I have (consistently, I think) asserted both within and outwith CLL that
> the latter is untrue. The event of Nixon being elected President in '68
> is no more and no less an event than the event of McGovern being elected etc.,
> even though the former cu fasnu and the latter, on the contrary, na fasnu.
> (Digression: Although "on the contrary" is now firmly lexicalized, it was
> once an application of Aristotelian logic: "Nixon elected" and "McGovern
> elected" are Aristotelian contraries, as they cannot both be true.)
>
> It is in fact proper that notions like "truly happens in the world" be expressed
> in Lojban with full predicates rather than implicitly by grammatical
> machinery: Use The Brivla, Luke.
Um. "ka'e" and "ca'a"? Those are elliptical by default anyway---so
nixon is a ca'a nu and mcgovern is a ka'e nu.
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