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Nick Nicholas scripsit: > ... every which x? As in, the cat Mr Frisky can be construed as a > Kind corresponding to the haeccity (or whatever) Mr Friskyhood? Well, > maybe so, but what does that buy us? I agree: properties in the first place are projections of classes (the property of being red is just a reification of the class of red things), so reducing properties back to classes doesn't help. > >iii. All kinds exist. > > If you can get away with this, then this is indeed the solution to > intensionality. *If* you can get away with this. That's what's sticky. There are no unicorns, and there are no purple (by nature) rhinos, but there is only one null set. Likewise, having a heart does not equal having a kidney, but the set of heart-havers turns out to be the same as the set of kidney-havers. > >iv. A Kind exists in more than one world. > > As I'm finding in my remedial reading of Montague For Dummies, the > problem of what exists in what world is very very thorny, and Monty > following Dana Scott dodged it by having the pool of X range across > all worlds, without pausing to wonder whether X belonged in world A > or B. Intuitively (and I know intuition is evil in formalism, but > still), if we have two worlds, one in which I eat an apple and the > other in which I eat an orange, it is perverse to say those aren't > the same individual. So I don't like even posing the issue of what > exists in what world. Kripke nailed this one in "Naming and Necessity", which should definitely form part of remedial reading. Xworld identification is a non-issue, because it presumes an incorrect (and in fact meaningless) model of possible worlds. We don't scan possible worlds as with a telescope, we create them by talking about pivotal individuals (you in this case). > And it so overwhelmingly breaks with the existing understanding of > {lo broda = pa lo selci be loi broda} that I will vote against it. +1 -- John Cowan http://www.ccil.org/~cowan <jcowan@hidden.email> You tollerday donsk? N. You tolkatiff scowegian? Nn. You spigotty anglease? Nnn. You phonio saxo? Nnnn. Clear all so! `Tis a Jute.... (Finnegans Wake 16.5)