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On Wed, Nov 27, 2002 at 08:45:03PM +0000, Jorge Llambias wrote:
> la djorden cusku di'e
> >Seems that a lot of use of mu'ei is either going to be ro or su'o.
> >(probably mostly the former). What about making a pair of cmavo
> >in selma'o TAhE (roi doesn't allow having a default for the number)
> >which do that? If the one for ro could be single syllable it would
> >be all the better: perhaps 'xau'. Not sure if the one for su'o is
> >as useful, and as such if it's even worth creating I'd definitely
> >not recommend a xVV for it.
So WRT the above I think And is probably right that xVV shouldn't
be so freely given to it.
> {bi'ai} has already been proposed for {naku ka'e naku},
> which corresponds to {romu'ei} if {ka'e} is {su'omu'ei}.
>
> I still don't understand the distinction you make between
> {ka'e} and {su'omu'ei}. Could you give an example in Lojban
> where one would be true and the other false?
I can give you a distinction between kakne and cumki:
cumki fa lenu mi zatfa'i la barda jamfu
kakne lenu mi zatfa'i la barda jamfu
The first is true, the latter false. I think anything which is
true for kakne is true for cumki, but not the other way around. I
would think cumki corresponds to one kind of su'omu'ei, and kakne
to another kind of su'omu'ei (similarly, nibli corresponds to one
kind of romu'ei, and nitcu or bilga correspond to another kind of
romu'ei).
As I said in the other thread, I'm not thoroughly convinced the
above is the best way to look at things, and my familiarity with
modal logic is minimal.
> >(note that doing as such would make for counterfactual conditionals
> >taking no more syllables than indicative ones: mi xaugi xagji gi
> >citka vs. mi ganai xagji gi citka).
>
> That means that if I were hungry then I would (necessarily) eat,
> doesn't it? Alas, not everybody can make that claim! Probably
> there is an implied {ai} or something.
Was an example ;)
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