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Re: [jboske] {ka'e nu} versus {du'u}




la pycyn cusku di'e

I am
inclined to say that that someone is in two different places at the same time
is a logical contradiction.

I would prefer to restrict logical contradictions to forms, independent of the meanings of the selbri. So {ge broda ginai broda} is a logical contradiction,
but {mi zvati la paris ecabo la romas} is not, just because {ko'a broda ko'e
e ko'i} is not a contradictory form. This is because meanings of selbri are
much more fluid than the meanings of logical forms. We can always come
up with wild situations that make it true. Who is to say that it is logically
impossible for a person to have two bodies and thus be in two places at
once? It certainly goes against every experience we have, but it isn't logic
that opposes it.

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Also, I agree that (barring fuzziness) an event can't be both possible and
impossible,
but I have no problem with {lo'e nu ko'a cumki cu na cumki} or with
{lo'e nu ko'a na cumki cu cumki}, they just involve different levels of
abstraction,
and that's how I would tend to interpret "impossible possible event" and
"possible
impossible event".
>>
This time, however, there is a reading of {lo'e} that makes
this quite OK (though not one you would accept, on the basis of previous
evidence: just {lo} in fact -- or even {le}).

Maybe you mean {ro} rather than {lo}. {lo nu ko'a cumki cu na cumki} is
false with official bridi-scope {na}.

I do tend to think of
possibility in terms of S5, but the others are possible reading and can be
forced.

I don't know what S5 is. Some hierarchy of possibles?

But OK, so there are impossible events; nothing follows from that
about replacing {du'u}.

Right. I don't know what kind of event could be associated with a
logically contradictory proposition. Nor with a tautology for that
matter, unless any event will do.

In any case, {ka'e} is not {cumki} and, in fact, given its relation to
{kakne} doesn't even make sense in a tense position, since it is about
objects and their capabilities, not about events or action or.. except
secondarily (I don't think it is an innate property of seeing that I can do
it).

Since {ka'e} as {kakne} (or as {jinzi}) makes no sense, it is natural that
we give it a meaning that does make sense, and {cumki} seems like
the most appropriate: an event is capable of being when it is possible.

mu'o mi'e xorxes


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