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And Rosta scripsit: > I completely agree about the time and energy wasting enormity, but it > would never have occurred to me to describe it as occurring within a > consensus-oriented discussion model. Now that you say that, I think > you might be right: a consensus-oriented discussion model within a > community in which consensus was impossible. It seems to me that consensus in favor of xorlo has in fact been achieved, not because all agree, but for the usual reason in science: the objectors have died off or left the field. -- We do, doodley do, doodley do, doodley do, John Cowan <cowan@hidden.email> What we must, muddily must, muddily must, muddily must; Muddily do, muddily do, muddily do, muddily do, http://www.ccil.org/~cowan Until we bust, bodily bust, bodily bust, bodily bust. --Bokonon