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On 1/29/06, Rex May <rmay@hidden.email> wrote: > On Jan 29, 2006, at 6:27 PM, Jim Henry wrote: > fuke kinharzo dorm gike pitaym, to tri balu > bisali bedan to bawmgu dan to dom. pamo balu > It was a typo for "besali", but I think > it should have been "posali" or "danho". > Ah, doing a little more thinking here. 'besali' wouldn't mean that. To make the equivalent of sila, it would need po - posali. Yes, I know. I got "be" and "po" mixed up momentarily. > So if we want. A arrived at B from C, we'd have, I think: > > A sali B sila C. expanded: A sali B sa sila C. This is unobvious enough that it should be documented in the grammar, I think. ..... > We need danho, surho, etc. If there's an equivalent to sila, it would be > staho. > > Come to think of it, you could say: > > go pa sila to dom, tcofu go danho deo. > > Sila and sali both seem to imply traveling. You go out of a house and just > stand there, maybe, but if you leave a house it sounds like you're going > somewhere. That makes sense. Yes, I reckon we need distinct "arrive/leave" vs. "enter/exit". But maybe "staho", as you suggest, might replace "sila" and "postaho" replace "sali"... On 1/29/06, Rex May <rmay@hidden.email> wrote: > Here's what we've go so far: > > http://www.geocities.com/ceqli/kinharzo.html Neat illustration. It could use a couple of links -- say, back to the main page, and to the tceqli-English glossary. Also, I think it would look better formatted with <p> tags instead of so many <br> tags. Here it is with suggested reformatting and one additional paragraph: <p> gataympa, tri balu dwel pisa dom hu dan gasa bawmgu. beo pa bi pamo balu, pami balu, kay pisa balubin. do tu dey, pamizo tayarfa tri diwalisi dalya hu ben to balu famli. kaybya doke beo komtray deo, deo tro kyar! tcofa, beo cwa gi pawdja hu dan bawmgu. <p> fuke to tri balu sali to dom, pisa pweri pa ven beosa heym. peo bekyam toy kinharzo betoy, fatco peo ten bel kincayn har. peo volcaw to pisa dom. peo trey komvol, kay djanvol kyu komco sta to pisa dom. tcofa peo dorku kay djam. fu bli, kinharzo plufwa dorku. <p> to tri balu bu sta tci dom, hifa budjin peno dor. fuke pitaym, keo peno dor kay dja dan dom. <p> sur stol sta tri diwali hu bedan dalya. keo komtray dalya hu dan gasa diwali, bol "tro kyar." kay komtray dalya hu dan diwali hu tcenga. "tro kray." tcofu keo tray dalya hu dan pisa diwali. bol "gnaw haw." kay keo finkom deo. <p> fu kom, kinharzo dormafo. keo dja dan dormatcam kay prontray tcwaq hu ga. bol "tro dur". tcofu keo prontray tcwaq hu tcenga. bol "tro dru". tcofu keo prontray tcwaq hu pi. za bol "gnaw haw", kaydjiq dje dorma. <p> fuke kinharzo dorma gike pitaym, to tri balu sila to bawmgu danho to dom. pamo balu caw to diwali hu ga, kay bol "ta djin komtray gosa dalya." pami balu caw to diwali hu tcenga, kay bol "ta djin komtray gosa dalya." balubin caw to diwali hu pi, kay bolkri "ta djin finkom gosa dalya!" <!-- added by Jim H on 2006/2/1 --> <p> tcofu to to tri balu dja dan dormatcam. pamo balu caw to tcwaq hu ga, kay bol "ta djin prontray gosa tcwaq!" pami balu caw to tcwaq hu tcenga, kay bol "ta djin prontray gosa tcwaq!" balubin caw to tcwaq hu pi, kay bolkri "ta pweri dorma gosa tcwaq!" -- Jim Henry http://www.pobox.com/~jimhenry/gzb/gzb.htm