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From: "Barry Garcia" <barry_garcia@hidden.email> Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 23:25:37 -0700 > >3rd option > >CL > /pl/ >PL > /fl/ >FL > /S/ What's the evolution of CL > /pl/?
Well the k > p thing happens alot in C-o. QU > p before a,o,u. Like Romanian.
CT > pp > p. Again like Romanian.So, I thought I might do the same thing with CL and thus set up a chain of changes. GL, BL, V'L could follow a similar chain
GL > /bl/ BL > /vl/VL > /Z/ Though I'm not sure I like that. VL looks awfully Slavic. But then, Romanian has it. Thinking . . .
I'm also a bit conflicted on these. Originally in Montreiano I had them change to: CL>/gj/ - OCULUS > OCLUS > oquio > oguio PL>/bj/ - PLENA > piena > biena FL>/vj/ - FLOREM > fiore > vior But i'm not quite sure if i'm too happy with it (let's just say i'm mostly settled). The changes seem logical to me though.
I like it. It seems logical to me.
> >Well, what think you? I like it. A lot different than I have seen. More creative than What I came up with :). > >I'm also trying to decide what to do with initial S-clusters. I know >Spanish, Portuguese and French (and I assume Catalan and Occitan?) add an >epenthetic vowel. I know Italian (and IIRC Romanian) doesn't. What does >Romansh do? Sardinian? Sicilian? Does anyone know if North African >(Algeria & Tunisia) Arabic likes initial "S", "F", etc. or no? What >about >"R"? > I set the rule that no epenthetic vowel would be placed in front of an s+stop initially. I like it a lot. In fact, s changes to /S/ when next to a stop in any position.: STARE > star /Star/ STADIUM > staio /Stajo/ pastorau /paStorau/
I'm concidering exactly the same change for C-o. I think the proximity to Italy may win the day and shove me in this direction. Besides, it's one less "Western" feature.
A small question of mine if i'm not imposing on your thread :), is it realistic for the intervocalic g in Spanish (is it /G/?) to evolve into the glide /j/? If so, i think it's the final change needed to make me totally happy with Montreiano: orig: avogáo (lawyer), new: avoyáo
=46rom what I've been reading, it seems perfectly logical to me. G sees to love to vanish in Western Romance. And I like avaoyao. It sounds exactly like what you'd say when you got the bill! avo-YAO! LOL
ADam
*note: i'm using y now for two things: to make sure what originally would be written as i is read as /j/ as in the above: avoiáo (could be misinterpreted as /avoj?'au/ instead of the proper /avo'ja?o/ ). Also to break up what i call "vowel monotony" (too many vowels in a row, such as in cavauiairo, now: cavauyairo).
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