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la xod cusku di'e > A pair of apples (lo re plise) is different from a collective of apples > (loi'a plise). Collectives are distinguished by their emergent > properties. According to Dr. Rosta, I should use a different term, but, I > am using it consistently with my stated definition on my page. > > But there is no incompatibility. Your XS gives us a way to discuss pairs > and other tuples, while loi'a refers to Collectives. Let me see if you agree with this: 1- Every group of more than one thing has some emergent properties (properties of the group but of no single member). 2- Given a group of things, you use loi'a to talk about the emergent properties of the group, but not about any properties that the group may share with one or more of its members. Would that be a correct assessment? mu'o mi'e xorxes __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com