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Re: [jboske] Re: Quine vs Montague, the deathmatch



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> --- In jboske@yahoogroups.com, Jorge "Llamb�as" :
> >
> > la and cusku di'e
> >
> >
> > "The default inner PA for lo can remain lo(ro), as in CLL."
[...]
> > The default I would expect is {lo pa broda}, Mr Individual Broda,
> > if we need a default at all. Having no default would be better.
>
> This part actually seemed off to me, when reading it.  "Mr pair of
> Brodas" would be something like "lo broda [se] remei" or "lo [se]
> remei be lo broda".  When you want to talk of pairs, that's where the
> massifying PA affixes come in.

The only substantive change to CLL is at this point -- it changes
the largely useless and unused meaning of CLL loPA to something more
useful, allowing you to speak of Mr Two Birds and "a pair of birds"
without resorting to brivla and multiple sumti, as mei requires.
It seems proper that these should be sayable be means of gadri
complexes.

> Me, I still feel that the Kind isn't its instances.  That is, when I
> see "a bird", I may not know which one it is, but it is still some
> enumerable bird, not some mythical "Mr Bird".

Sure. You can see Mr Bird or you can see a bird. Nobody wants to conflate
the two, and I think we are agreed that the speaker should be able to
choose which to use.

> When I want to buy a bird, yes, then I'm searching for Mr Bird.  This
> is likely due to incomplete understanding of Kind and when it gets used
> on my part.

No misunderstanding is apparent here.

--And.