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At 07:41 AM 8/12/03 -0700, Jorge "Llambías" wrote:
la lojbab cusku di'e > My own concept of "lo" (and I did invent the thing), was based on Loglan's > article (le'u?) which was used for universal claims about a set, and was > translated as "all those which really are members of the set". Are you thinking of "lea"?
Yes.
"lea" is all the members of the set taken together as one whole,
it is not for universal quantification. See
http://www.loglan.org/Articles/sets-and-multiples.html
"lea" is for "sets" as opposed to "multiples".
In Lojban, the closest thing we have to "lea" is {piro loi}.
As it was understood in 1987, lea was ro lo, and not piro loi - our loi being TLI's lo, there was no tie between lea and lo.
> After the intervening years, and
> the flip-flop that occurred in late 1994, the CLL version of lo already
> does not match my understanding, since I never bought into "lo" = "da poi"
> (but I wasn't the one writing CLL).
The issue here is whether "lo" = "su'o lo". There is no argument
so far against {su'o lo broda} being {su'o da poi broda}.
There was one, but I can't remember it without going back to November 94 discussions.
> I am more than a little intrigued by Cowan's claim that Lojban would not > have such current trouble if JCB had made a certain pronouncement on the > gadri 10 years earlier, but since JCB did not have "lo", I'm not sure that > has bearing on the matter. For a start we wouldn't have had the "set" gadri as mathematical sets (which JCB does not have) and we wouldn't have had so much conflation in our "mass" gadri.
The mathematicians took JCB's references to sets literally and they indeed wanted a gadri for that mathematical kind of set.
Our {loi} took the name from JCB's {lo} but the
meaning of JCB's {lea}.
I see little resemblance between lea and loi. lojbab -- lojbab lojbab@hidden.email Bob LeChevalier, Founder, The Logical Language Group (Opinions are my own; I do not speak for the organization.) Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org