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xod: > If we're going to go with Mr. Bird, we should accept that sometimes he has > one wing. Which means that the work of defining him is lost. If, however, > we declare that Mr. Bird has 2 and only 2 wings, we're moving him in the > direction of the lo'e'e cipni, which at this point seems more useful. The challenge of defining Mr Bird is much like the challenge of defining xod. Both categories are valid, and neither is easy to define. The same sort of problems arise with both (as evidenced in the previous discussion in this thread), and the same solutions apply to both. I'm not sure what lo'e'e cipni is, so I'm not commenting on it, but as for Mr Bird, this is a primitive not a derived concept. --And.