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--- John Cowan <cowan@hidden.email> wrote: > Jorge Llamb��)B�as scripsit: > > > Right. It's just that CLL-lo'e was being touted as "Mister", which it > > is not. > > Never by me or other Lojban Old Farts. For us, "loi" is "Mister", and > has been since Loglan days. In JCB's original example, whenever a monkey > falls out of a tree, Mr. Monkey falls out of a tree (and out of Mr. Tree, > presumably, though JCB didn't say so). But I now concede, grudgingly, > that this is an undesirable conflation. Quite. It was Xod who had asked: > But is there a divergence between Jorge's lo'e (which means kind, unique, > and Mister) and the CLL's lo'e (which means "typical", understood > precisely as the arithmetical mode: the most common type)? To which you replied: > Rather, CLL lo'e is about *characteristic* properties. It is > characteristic of lions to live in Africa, to have short intestines, > and to eat antelope. I would say, using Kind-lo'e: ka'u lo'e cinfo na'o xabju le friko gi'e citka lo'e antilope which is condensed with CLL-lo'e to: lo'e cinfo cu xabju le friko gi'e citka lo'e antilope In other words, we could say: CLL-lo'e = ka'u + Kind-lo'e + na'o mu'o mi'e xorxes __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com