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Jorge Llambias scripsit: > >Sure. It's a complete bridi, and it's false, you can say that much > >right off (because the set of sumti-sequences that makes it true is null). > > That's an odd definition of false. So would you say that > {zi'o na blanu} is a tautology? Yes. This is a Prolog-based view of predicate meaning, pretty much equivalent to Gua\spi's. If we consider the selbri "dunda", its extensional meaning is the set {(John, pants-1, Irene), (John, pants-2, Irene), (John, shoes-1, Gale), ...} containing the appropriate ordered triples. The predicate "dunda be fa la djan." has as its extensional meaning a set of ordered pairs. If the set of ordered n-tuples is empty, there is no true predication corresponding to that predicate. zi'o blanu means a set of no 0-tuples, so it is (considered as a full bridi) false. > I think {zi'o blanu} can be claimed when there is blueness > present but there is nothing of which we can or want to claim > that it is blue. {zi'o blanu} and {zi'o xunre} are different > predications. Intensionally, perhaps. But they have the same extensional meaning: false. -- Some people open all the Windows; John Cowan wise wives welcome the spring jcowan@hidden.email by moving the Unix. http://www.reutershealth.com --ad for Unix Book Units (U.K.) http://www.ccil.org/~cowan (see http://cm.bell-labs.com/cm/cs/who/dmr/unix3image.gif)