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Invent Yourself scripsit: > But motivationally, people are/should be moved to employ zi'o when the > place makes no sense in the relationship they are trying to express. If > the place is there but they don't wish to speak of it (non-teleporting, I > think) then it's a bit misleading to use zi'o. Fair enough for top-level claims, but nevertheless when you talk about lo'i du'u mi klama le zarci fi zi'o, that set includes lots of propositions that don't involve teleporting. Likewise, the difference between lo ka la djan. dunda zo'e ce'u and lo ka la djan. dunda zi'o ce'u is the difference between being the recipient of a particular, but unspecified, gift from John and being the recipient of a gift from John. It's true that da, if not bound, can serve the function of zi'o in the latter example. -- John Cowan jcowan@hidden.email www.reutershealth.com www.ccil.org/~cowan Assent may be registered by a signature, a handshake, or a click of a computer mouse transmitted across the invisible ether of the Internet. Formality is not a requisite; any sign, symbol or action, or even willful inaction, as long as it is unequivocally referable to the promise, may create a contract. --_Specht v. Netscape_