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On Tue, Jan 07, 2003 at 08:49:36PM -0000, And Rosta wrote: > Jordan: > > On Mon, Jan 06, 2003 at 06:07:19PM -0000, And Rosta wrote: > > > John: > > > > And Rosta scripsit: > > > > > {lo blanu} isn't synonymous with {da poi blanu}. The former > > > > > is countable, the latter is unspecified for countability > > > > > > > > I grant you (i) but I deny you (ii). "da poi blanu" means "su'o da poi > > > > blanu", so it is countable > > > > > > What I mean is that the interpretation of blanu is unspecified > > > for countability. IOW, even though su'oda means "at least one > > > thing" (so is perforce being counted by some criterion or other), > > > "poi blanu" is neutral between "is a single blue thing" and > > > "is blue stuff" > > > > How does lo not already require countability though? If discussing > > whether "lo broda" == "su'o da poi broda", "ti broda" is completely > > inconsequential. The only issue is the meaning of "lo"---"lo" > > always has an outer quantifier (usually of su'o) and thus must imply > > countability, just like "su'o da poi broda" > > > > So what are you talking about? > > > > As an aside, I think "da poi broda" is only valid as a paraphrase > > of "lo broda", and not as an actual definition of its meaning, > > because it leaves out the inner quantifier. (the "su'o da poi cmima > > lo'i ro broda" version works as an exact definition though) > > "(su'o) lo broda" refers to things individuated by virtue of > being a single (countable) broda. "(su'o) da poi broda" and > "(su'o) da broda" refers to things individuated somehow, but > not necessarily by virtue of being a single countable broda. But, as I said, I don't think "(su'o) da broda" has any relevance to whether "(su'o) lo broda" and "(su'o) da poi broda" have the same meaning. So I still don't understand your complaint. -- Jordan DeLong - fracture@hidden.email lu zo'o loi censa bakni cu terzba le zaltapla poi xagrai li'u sei la mark. tuen. cusku
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