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Jordan:
> On Mon, Jan 06, 2003 at 06:07:19PM -0000, And Rosta wrote:
> > John:
> > > And Rosta scripsit:
> > > > {lo blanu} isn't synonymous with {da poi blanu}. The former
> > > > is countable, the latter is unspecified for countability
> > >
> > > I grant you (i) but I deny you (ii). "da poi blanu" means "su'o da poi
> > > blanu", so it is countable
> >
> > What I mean is that the interpretation of blanu is unspecified
> > for countability. IOW, even though su'oda means "at least one
> > thing" (so is perforce being counted by some criterion or other),
> > "poi blanu" is neutral between "is a single blue thing" and
> > "is blue stuff"
>
> How does lo not already require countability though? If discussing
> whether "lo broda" == "su'o da poi broda", "ti broda" is completely
> inconsequential. The only issue is the meaning of "lo"---"lo"
> always has an outer quantifier (usually of su'o) and thus must imply
> countability, just like "su'o da poi broda"
>
> So what are you talking about?
>
> As an aside, I think "da poi broda" is only valid as a paraphrase
> of "lo broda", and not as an actual definition of its meaning,
> because it leaves out the inner quantifier. (the "su'o da poi cmima
> lo'i ro broda" version works as an exact definition though)
"(su'o) lo broda" refers to things individuated by virtue of
being a single (countable) broda. "(su'o) da poi broda" and
"(su'o) da broda" refers to things individuated somehow, but
not necessarily by virtue of being a single countable broda.
--And.