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The following facts are incompatible: {lo blanu} means "da poi is-a-countable-blue-thing". {ti blanu} means "this is blue", not "this is-a-countable-blue-thing". Here are some ways to resolve the contradiction: 1. To say "this is blue", say {ti du pisu'oloi blanu}. 2. Scrap the {lo broda} = {da poi broda} rule. 3. Go for a more drastic overhaul. Since countability is encoded by outer PA and/or inner ro, and uncountability is encoded by outer piPA and/or inner tu'o, the lV/lVi distinction is redundant as an encoder of +/-countable. This frees up lVi for use as pure collectives, with {loi} as a nonspecific counterpart of {lei} -- i.e. {loi} denotes a group of broda, not the group of all broda (or perhaps {loi ro} is the group of all, and {loi su'o} is a group of some). Kind: lo broda le broda la broda Kinds of: PA lo broda PA le broda PA la broda % of Kinds of: piPA lo broda piPA le broda piPA la broda Bits of: piPA (loi) (tu'o) broda piPA lei (tu'o) broda piPA lai broda le piPA broda Countable: PA (loi) (ro) broda PA lei (ro) broda PA la broda % of countbls: piPA loi ro broda piPA lei ro broda Collective: loi (ro) broda lei (ro) broda lai broda {piPA le (tu'o) broda} would mean "some of a certain broda", while {le piPA broda} would mean "a certain bit of broda". "% of countables" = proportions of a population of countables -- e.g. {piso'e loi ro prenu} = "most people"; {piso'e lo (ro) nanmu} = "most kinds of men". {loi re prenu} = "a pair of people". {lei re prenu} = "a certain pair of people". {loi piso'e (loi ro) prenu} = {piso'e loi ro prenu} = "a majority of people" {lei piso'e (loi ro) prenu} = "a certain majority of people" {da poi broda} = {da broda} neutralizes the distinction between {da (poi) du pa broda} and {da (poi) du pisu'o broda} (and possibly {da (poi) du pa lo broda}. --And.