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John: > > > xo: one or more individuals, it matters not which > > > xw: the set containing one or more individuals, it matters not which > > > > ... Intensional? > > > > You mean, Carter got this right years two decades before we did? Aaargh! > > Well, the example he gives is "Hand me nails". Here he wants one or more > nails, but it doesn't matter which nails. Ditto, of course, for "Hand me > a screwdriver." My first thought was "But that's obviously merely a question of the scope of the existential quantifier" ("Bring it about that there are nails that you hand me" v. "There are nails that I command you hand me"), but I then wondered what "A minute ago, I ate an apple (any apple)" would mean. If you could find a sensible interpretation for that, then the guaspi gadri would be vindicated. I think the only sensical interpretation is to read it as Unique: if "I ate x" is true of any apple, and if x is an apple, then there must be exactly one apple. But guaspi has other gadri for Mr Shark, so I still reckon it got things wrong. > > (But did he allow quantification? So can you still distinguish between > > transparent and opaque with xa vs. xo?) > > Gua\spi quantifies with full predicates, but xa means "rolo" as I noted above I wish that Loglan had had the good sense to use jimc's ideas, instead of casting him out as a heretic. One can't argue that the deficiencies of Lojban are just because nobody had come up with better ways to do things, since jimc patently had. I suppose that Lojban's excuse was that it was constituted to just finish of JCB Loglan and no more than that, except in the addition of sundry sorts of cruft like attitudinals that Lojbab now and again crows about. --And.