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On Mon, 23 Dec 2002, Jordan DeLong wrote: > On Mon, Dec 23, 2002 at 11:00:46AM -0500, Invent Yourself wrote: > > On Mon, 23 Dec 2002, Jordan DeLong wrote: > > > On Mon, Dec 23, 2002 at 09:46:48PM +1100, Nick Nicholas wrote: > > > > (resend) > > > > > > didn't get the first...hrm > > > > > > [...] > > > > Similarly, you can say > > > > > > > > mi citka pi ro loi rismi > > > > > > > > and mean half now and half later. Bzzt, your collective instantly > > > > evaporates. you've split the rice in two, you're not eating it all > > > > together at the same time. > > > > > > Ok, you had me till here. I think this is bogus. > > > > I think so too. Nick has forgotten what a collective is. In summary, it > > exists to refer to properties that do NOT exist by the individuals. > > But lojbanmasses already do that. They do too much. > > First, I refer you both to > > http://www.thestonecutters.net/xod/lojban/jboske.html > > Your definition of collective is a lot less clear than the definition > of lojbanmass in the book. It is possible that I cannot help you. > > Next, assume that 2 men cannot carry the piano. > > Heh. Ok, but if 3 men are carrying the piano together, each of > them individually *is* carrying some amount of the weight of the > piano. Sure, but the ability to carry A piano is an emergent property of the 3. We are discussing pianos, not piano shards or carrots. Perhaps you might prefer to consider the emergent property of 2 appropriate adults being required to procreate, since there is no conflation between infants and sperm cells as there might be between a third of a piano and an actual one. -- // if (!terrorist) // ignore (); // else collect_data ();