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Right now, you have no way using Lojbanmasses of disambiguating between distributed and collective readings, for the simple reason that, though lo is +distributed, loi is not -distributed, but unmarked as to distributivity.
So the lack of a -distributed gadri gets in the way of Lojban design goals. In fact, that there are *no* Lojban means of disambuguating a reading as being collective. {gunma}? Lojbanmass, not collective. {mei}? Ditto. {jo'u}? If Jordan has his way, ditto. Yeah, pragmatics tells you that {lei nanmu} is collective not distributive. But there is *no* disambiguation in Lojban whatever right now, using explicit words rather than pragmatics. None. Including {nanmu remei}, which is still a lojbanmass. And {jo'u} isn't enough -- not if you're talking about a million man march, as distinct from a million people going to DC at some stage in the year (lo), or the NAACP leadership, on behalf of its million man membership, going to DC (piano carrier supervisors).
*This* is what is broken. As to Jordan's syllogism, this depends on where time and place are introduced: su'o da poi temci ku'o su'o de poi diklo zo'u: naku la djan. jo'u la djeimez. bevri ca da vi de su'o da poi temci ku'o su'o de poi diklo zo'u: naku piro lu'o la djan. ce la djeimez. bevri ca da vi de su'o da poi temci ku'o su'o de poi diklo zo'u: pisu'o lu'o la djan. ce la djeimez. naku bevri ca da vi de which is false. su'o da poi temci ku'o su'o de poi diklo zo'u: ca da vi de naku la djan. jo'u la djeimez. bevri su'o da poi temci ku'o su'o de poi diklo zo'u: ca da vi de naku piro lu'o la djan. ce la djeimez. bevri su'o da poi temci ku'o su'o de poi diklo zo'u: ca da vi de pisu'o lu'o la djan. ce la djeimez. naku bevri which is true. -- **** **** **** **** **** **** **** **** **** **** **** **** **** **** **** * Dr Nick Nicholas, French & Italian Studies nickn@hidden.email * University of Melbourne, Australia http://www.opoudjis.net * "Eschewing obfuscatory verbosity of locutional rendering, the * circumscriptional appelations are excised." --- W. Mann & S. Thompson, * _Rhetorical Structure Theory: A Theory of Text Organisation_, 1987. * **** **** **** **** **** **** **** **** **** **** **** **** **** **** ****