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RE: [jboske] default quantifiers (was: RE: individuation and masses



xorxes:
> la and cusku di'e
> 
> > > But then would we need lo/le at all? Why not just use
> > > {su'o lo'i broda} instead of {lo broda}, {ro le'i broda}
> > > instead of {le broda}, etc.?
> >
> >A few days ago I posted a paradigm that concluded just this 
> >
> >set:         lu'ilo'i  lu'ile'i  lu'ila'i
> >quantified:  PAlo'i    PAle'i    PAla'i        = PAlo/le/la
> >substance:   lu'olo'i  lu'ole'i  lu'ola'i
> >collective:  lu'oilo'i lu'oile'i lu'oila'i
> >'unique':    lu'ailo'i lu'aile'i lu'aila'i
> >
> >+ if typicality is to be done by gadri:
> >
> >archetype:   lu'eilo'i lu'eile'i lu'eila'i
> 
> Ok, separating the o/e/a distinction from the other distinctions
> of gadri is nice, but is using the set gadri for that the best
> choice? We could do the same using {ro(lo)}, {(ro)le} and {(ro)la},
> which also saves a syllable but, more importantly for me, it agrees
> better with the way I had understood LAhEs to work. Then we have:
> 
> set:         lu'iro   lu'ile   lu'ila    (=lo'i/le'i/la'i)
> quantified:  PA(ro)   PAle     PAla
> substance:   lu'oiro  lu'oile  lu'oila
> collective:  lu'oro   lu'ole   lu'ola    (=(piro)loi/lei/lai)
> 'unique':    lu'airo  lu'aile  lu'aila   (=lo'e/le'e/   )

Fine. My choice of lV'i was partly to even up length when I was
also using lau'V, partly because of the way I was thinking of
LAhE as working, and partly because I hadn't been clever enough
to think of using {ro} rather than {lo}.
 
> (I mischievously interchanged your lu'o and lu'oi.)

Fine by me.

I wonder how xod's idea of "Substance = cardinality tu'o" would
fit in here. Tentatively:

substance: lu'aitu'o  lu'ailetu'o  lu'ailatu'o

(does LA allow an inner cardinality? It should, but ...)

Hmm. I'm not wowed by that.

> This has the advantage of being able to include partial sets and
> collectives within the same paradigm:
> 
> subset:      lu'isu'o  lu'isu'ole  lu'isu'ola
> sub-coll.:   lu'osu'o  lu'osu'ole  lu'osu'ola

OK. I am won over. You and I are in agreement.

--And.