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xorxes:
> la and cusku di'e
>
> >IM-strongly-held-O, non-pi quantifiers are compatible only with
> >individuals-gadri, and pi-quantifiers should never be implicit
> >Pi-quantifiers are just a shorthand for "pagbu be". 'Individuals-gadri'
> >= 'quantified gadri'
>
> I understand pi-quantifiers differently. To me, they mean:
>
> piQ lo'i broda = lu'i Q lo broda
> piQ le'i broda = lu'i Q le broda
>
> piQ loi broda = lu'o Q lo broda
> piQ lei broda = lu'o Q le broda
>
> where Q = ro, su'o, so'a, so'e, etc
> For actual numbers (pimu, etc) the formula is more complicated
> but it's the same idea
Fair enough. On that understanding I have no objection to them other
than their superfluity. But pi-quantifiers *as I understood them*
will be necessary for Substance gadri -- that is, with the meaning
"the whole of", "a fraction of".
> > > It's sensible to talk about two
> > > collectives of people, so if 'loi prenu' is a collective of people, then
> > > 're loi prenu' should be two collectives of people
> >
> >No, no more than 're lo'i prenu' would mean two sets of people
>
> I agree for LE-gadri, which admit a single underlying set
which gadri do you mean by 'LE-gadri'?
> >'loi prenu' is the collective of the set of all people. If you
> >want to talk about two collectives of people, you need to use
> >"re girzu"
>
> But I think {re lu'o lo prenu} should work. {lu'o lo prenu}
> is a collective of some people, and there are many possible
> such collectives, so {lu'o} should be quantifiable. Same
> with {re lu'i lo prenu} for "two sets of (some) people"
>
> There has never been a strict definition of how LAhEs work
> though
I dislike this. I think "lu'o/lu'i lo prenu" should mean
"there are some people, each of whom is in lu'V, each of whose
constitutents is one of the people". That gives us the meaning
of "lau'i". And LAhE is not a selbri: it doesn't mean "is
a set"; rather it is a function, deriving a unique output
from its argument.
So if {re lu'o/lu'i lo prenu} mean anything, they should be
equivalent to {re lu'a lu'o/lu'i lo prenu} = {re lo prenu}.
--And.