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RE: [jboske] default quantifiers (was: RE: individuation and masses




la and cusku di'e

> > > It's sensible to talk about two
> > > collectives of people, so if 'loi prenu' is a collective of people, then
> > > 're loi prenu' should be two collectives of people
> >
> >No, no more than 're lo'i prenu' would mean two sets of people
>
> I agree for LE-gadri, which admit a single underlying set

which gadri do you mean by 'LE-gadri'?

As opposed to LAhE-gadri, but perhaps LAhEs are not gadri.

> But I think {re lu'o lo prenu} should work. {lu'o lo prenu}
> is a collective of some people, and there are many possible
> such collectives, so {lu'o} should be quantifiable. Same
> with {re lu'i lo prenu} for "two sets of (some) people"
>
> There has never been a strict definition of how LAhEs work
> though

I dislike this. I think "lu'o/lu'i lo prenu" should mean
"there are some people, each of whom is in lu'V, each of whose
constitutents is one of the people". That gives us the meaning
of "lau'i".

I think we agree about that part.

And LAhE is not a selbri: it doesn't mean "is
a set"; rather it is a function, deriving a unique output
from its argument.

That does make sense but it is not how I've thought of LAhEs
so far. I think I have to think it over for a bit.

So if {re lu'o/lu'i lo prenu} mean anything, they should be
equivalent to {re lu'a lu'o/lu'i lo prenu} = {re lo prenu}.

But then would we need lo/le at all? Why not just use
{su'o lo'i broda} instead of {lo broda}, {ro le'i broda}
instead of {le broda}, etc.?

mu'o mi'e xorxes


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