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RE: [jboske] anaphora & glorking (was: RE: sane kau? (was: RE: Re: RE:Re:lo'edu'u




la and cusku di'e

> 1- If the pro-sumti is overtly quantified, then the new
> quantification is restricted to the same set over which
> the antecedent's quantification was restricted
>
> 2- If the pro-sumti is not overtly quantified and is still
> within the scope of its antecedent's quantifier, then it
> is a variable bound by that quantifier
>
> 3- If the pro-sumti is not overtly quantified and it is
> outside the scope of its antecedent's quantifier, then
> it is taken to have a default quantifier (ro?, su'o?)
> that starts a new quantification over the same set over
> which the antecedent was quantified

A, Might we ever want to get interpretation 2, bound variable,
but apply a quantifier or relevant LAhE to it? (E.g. if
the the variable already expresses a za'umei.)

To answer that, first we need to sort out LAhE.
There are (at least) two competing interpretations.

I1. {LAhE lo'i broda} = {LAhE ro lo broda}.

I2. {LAhE lo'i broda} = {LAhE le selcmi be ro broda}

I favour (I2), but Nick for example used (I1) in his {kau}
expansion, and I think I remember Lojbab arguing for (I1)
at some point too.

To give a concrete example, {lu'i ro lo broda} I think
everybody agrees is {lo'i broda}, but {lu'i lo'i broda}
is {lo'i broda} according to (I1) or the set with {lo'i
broda} as its only member, according to (I2).

Anyway, I don't see how A could be a problem if LAhEs
work as in (I2).

B. Is it a problem if the bound variable is reused so
often in mode 2 that the speaker/hearer forgets what the
underlying set was?

Mode 2 would seem to be the least problematic in this
regard. It is more likely one would forget the restrictions
when there are re-quantifications, as in 1 and 3, right?

But unless you think these, and A in particular, are serious
problems, I think your solution is likely the best one.

I was thinking that the default quantifier for mode 3
should probably be {tu'o} rather than {su'o} or {ro}.
In many cases, perhaps most, the antecedent is a singular
term, in which case none of this really makes any difference,
of course.

BTW, I have drafted but not posted a wiki page arguing that
vo'a-series sumti anaphors should behave like ri, & hence
be eligible for the scheme you propose, but that nei/no'a
sumti anaphors should always follow pattern 1 (precisely
because they always do have an explicit or implicit
quantifier or LAhE.

Yes, I think it makes sense.

mu'o mi'e xorxes



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