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On Thu, Dec 19, 2002 at 04:22:45PM -0500, Invent Yourself wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Dec 2002, Jordan DeLong wrote:
>
> > On Thu, Dec 19, 2002 at 03:15:10AM -0500, Invent Yourself wrote:
> > > On Thu, 19 Dec 2002, Jordan DeLong wrote:
> > >
> > > > Any clarifcations which are made should be just that---we can't and
> > > > shouldn't change things so that "loi djacu" is meaningless and no longer
> > > > means bare "water" or whatever crap xod was pushing.
> > >
> > > What a difference a few hours makes. Before, you were insisting that le
> > > djacu can refer to any amount of water...what then do you want lei djacu
> > > to mean? Other than reflecting the peculiarities of English, what are the
> > > qualities exhibited by an individual glass of water which are not enjoyed
> > > by "some" water? Or vice versa?
> >
> > But "le djacu" *can* refer to any amount of water. "lei djacu" is
> > a lojbanmass of those individual amounts. A single "le djacu" is
> > only a mass in the english sense of "mass nouns" and whatnot.
> >
> > So, if I have 3 bottles of water, they can be individually "le
> > djacu" or massively "lei djacu". Likewise, if I'm talking about
> > the 7 oceans, they can be individually "le ze djacu" or lojbanmassively
> > "lei ze djacu".
>
>
> I agree with this. What I object to is calling a single glass of water lei
> djacu because of its divisibility; the "some water" gloss. Again, Jorge's
> posts were so clear that I can only repeat what he said.
I haven't been reading his (or most other people's) posts---the volume
is too much.
I also don't like calling a single glass of water "lei djacu".
Though it is not technically an error if you're thinking in
half-glasses or something.
--
Jordan DeLong - fracture@hidden.email
lu zo'o loi censa bakni cu terzba le zaltapla poi xagrai li'u
sei la mark. tuen. cusku
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