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On Thu, Dec 19, 2002 at 03:15:10AM -0500, Invent Yourself wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Dec 2002, Jordan DeLong wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Dec 18, 2002 at 10:08:20PM -0500, John Cowan wrote:
> > > And Rosta scripsit:
> > > > 1. substance
> > > > 2. prototype.
> > > > 3. unique.
> >
> > Unique still makes no sense to me.
> >
> > > I think this is exactly the Right Thing in every respect, and
> > > with the addition of 4. individual(s), should form our new gadri
> > > system. I do think however that the term "unique" is bad, because
> > > it suggests that there is literally, rather than notionally, only
> > > one of the thing. Whereas in fact what I take to be going on is
> > > a sort of superposition of the actual things (birds, Superbowl games, etc.)
> >
> > Wait a minute. What's the "new gadri system". I don't think we
> > can or should abandon the current system.
>
>
> But you've been here as we've discovered just how broken it is.
>
>
> > Any clarifcations which are made should be just that---we can't and
> > shouldn't change things so that "loi djacu" is meaningless and no longer
> > means bare "water" or whatever crap xod was pushing.
>
> What a difference a few hours makes. Before, you were insisting that le
> djacu can refer to any amount of water...what then do you want lei djacu
> to mean? Other than reflecting the peculiarities of English, what are the
> qualities exhibited by an individual glass of water which are not enjoyed
> by "some" water? Or vice versa?
But "le djacu" *can* refer to any amount of water. "lei djacu" is
a lojbanmass of those individual amounts. A single "le djacu" is
only a mass in the english sense of "mass nouns" and whatnot.
So, if I have 3 bottles of water, they can be individually "le
djacu" or massively "lei djacu". Likewise, if I'm talking about
the 7 oceans, they can be individually "le ze djacu" or lojbanmassively
"lei ze djacu".
--
Jordan DeLong - fracture@hidden.email
lu zo'o loi censa bakni cu terzba le zaltapla poi xagrai li'u
sei la mark. tuen. cusku
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