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Jordan:
> On Wed, Dec 18, 2002 at 06:46:59PM -0000, And Rosta wrote:
> > Jordan:
> > > On Wed, Dec 18, 2002 at 03:14:52PM -0000, And Rosta wrote:
> > > > John:
> > > > > And Rosta scripsit:
> > > > > > the antecedent of {le broda} = {ro da poi cmima le'i broda} {da}
> > > > > > or is it {ro da poi cmima le'i broda}? I don't know.
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't grok this one
> > > >
> > > > {le broda} = {ro da poi cmima le'i broda}
> > > >
> > > > So in {le broda ri}, is {ri}'s antecedent {da} or {ro da poi cmima
> > > > le'i broda} (with the identity of le'i broda unchanged)?
> > >
> > > First off, the antecedent of "ri" can never be "da", because "da"
> > > is in selma'o KOhA
> > >
> > > In "le broda ri", ri refers to the referent(s) of "le broda". "ro
> > > da poi cmima le'i broda" has nothing to do with anything for this
> > > purpose, and in "ro da poi cmima le'i broda ku'o ri" the ri would
> > > refer to "le'i broda"
> >
> > "refers to the referent(s)" is too vague. "le broda" is shorthand
> > for "ro da poi cmima le'i broda". So if "ri" refers to the referents
> > of "le broda" then presumably "ri" logically translates into
> > "da" or "ro da poi cmema X (= the aforementioned le'i broda)". But
> > I don't know which of the two is the correct logical translation
>
> It refers to ro of the members of le'i broda individually. But it
> has nothing to do with "ro da poi cmima le'i broda"
What is the difference between a logical formula that refers to
ro of the members of le'i broda individually and a logical
formula that expresses the meaning "ro da poi cmima le'i broda"?
If you asked me "What does a logical formula look like,if it
refers to ro of the members of le'i broda individually?", I
would answer "ro da poi cmima le'i broda", or "Ax either not x
cmima le'i broda or ...". Do we disagree?
Or put it this, way: please write "le nanmu ri prami" as a logical
formula. Then I'll understand what you mean, hopefully.
(I hope it's clear that I'm just trying to understand you, not
argue with you. You have a clear idea about how lojban anaphora
works; I don't, but I want to understand your clear idea.)
--And.