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Jordan: > By virtue of the fact that an > individual "djacu" can be any quantity of water, it is essentially > a mass-only brivla. I don't think this is bad, because a "true" > individual "djacu" makes little or no sense (however a true individual > rice makes perfect sense, so rismi should really have been done as > a normal count noun, but oh well, no big deal) This was my view until today. But if lo djacu must be an amount of water with intrinsic boundaries such that you can tell the difference between pa djacu and re djacu, then suddenly the distinction between lo djacu and loi djacu (massifier loi) becomes meaningful, and loi becomes very useful, even downright necessary. --And.