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Invent Yourself scripsit: > I, on the other hand, take ti literally. It refers to physical objects and > physical distances relative to speaker and listeners. Well, my position is close to this one, but I allow certain bending of space such that some things (tangible, point-at-able things) are closer or further away than a pure Newtonian (or Minkowskian) metric would allow. For example, if I were a waldo operator, I wouldn't hesitate to say "ti" for an object close to the waldo, even if my body were distant from it. I might almost say, with Daniel Dennett, that it's the location of my point of view that counts. -- "May the hair on your toes never fall out!" John Cowan --Thorin Oakenshield (to Bilbo) jcowan@hidden.email