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On Sat, Dec 14, 2002 at 11:07:17PM -0000, And Rosta wrote:
> Jordan:
> > On Sat, Dec 14, 2002 at 11:33:58AM -0500, Invent Yourself wrote:
> > > On Sat, 14 Dec 2002, Jordan DeLong wrote:
> > > > On Sat, Dec 14, 2002 at 10:43:29AM -0500, Invent Yourself wrote:
> > [...]
> > > > This is what is confusing you: You *can't* use da to refer to
> > > > something specific
> > >
> > > We've had this discussion before, and it's where you said (da poi gerku
> > > fi'o ponse mi) isn't specific, even if I only have one dog
> >
> > Yup. It isn't. In fact it suggests to the listener that you may
> > own more than one dog
> >
> > It's like if I were to say "lo stedu be mi" instead of "le stedu
> > be mi"
>
> As you know, if I am guided by meaning rather than usage then
> "le stedu be mi", "each of (a) certain head(s) of mine", also
> implies you have more than one head, else why the need for universal
> quantification, and why the need for specificity -- that is, why
> the need to invoke a particular le'i stedu be mi, when you are
> in fact talking about the membership of lo'i stedu be mi?
I disagree. o-gadri are out, regardless of the membership of lo'i
stedu be mi, because I am talking about a specific thing. lei makes
no sense, because it implies there is more than one, and furthermore
that collectively it can be (conceptually) infinitely subdivided.
le'i refers to something other than the head. le'e is obviously
wrong, and implies that there is more than one head. "le" is the
correct gadri.
That it uses universal quantification doesn't mean anything. It's
all behind the scenes. Explicitly saying "ro le" probably *would*
imply that I had more than one head, but that's not what we are
talking about.
> Presumably you do agree that "da stedu mi", "something is my
> head", is also more natural than "ko'a stedu mi", "le du cu
> stedu mi", "it is my head".
Sure. I don't understand why you say this though.
[...]
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