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And Rosta scripsit: > My own intuitions do tell me that ka with multiple ce'u will be rare. Most people seem to believe this, but I think that talking about reified relations is as common as talking about reified properties. Marriage, e.g., is ka ce'u speni ce'uxire, and brotherhood similarly. That is why I originally proposed ce'uda for current ce'u and ce'ude for current ce'uxire, but was shouted down at the time (IIRC). Had we adopted that, then co13y [1] in lambda variables would reduce to co13y of ordinary variables. [1] abbreviation for "coreferentiality" -- First known example of political correctness: John Cowan "After Nurhachi had united all the other http://www.reutershealth.com Jurchen tribes under the leadership of the http://www.ccil.org/~cowan Manchus, his successor Abahai (1592-1643) jcowan@hidden.email issued an order that the name Jurchen should --S. Robert Ramsey, be banned, and from then on, they were all _The Languages of China_ to be called Manchus."