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On Sun, Dec 15, 2002 at 07:15:42PM -0500, Invent Yourself wrote:
> On Sun, 15 Dec 2002, Jordan DeLong wrote:
> > On Sun, Dec 15, 2002 at 06:49:37PM -0500, Invent Yourself wrote:
> > > On Sun, 15 Dec 2002, Jordan DeLong wrote:
> > > > On Sun, Dec 15, 2002 at 03:30:44AM -0500, Invent Yourself wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > "...they cannot refer to things that cannot be pointed at."
> > > >
> > > > "In written text, on the other
> > > > hand, the meaning of the ti-series is inherently vague; is the writer to be
> > > > taken as pointing to something, and if so, to what? In all cases, what counts
> > > > as ``near'' and ``far away'' is relative to the current situation."
> > >
> > > There is no way you can possibly misinterpret the above to mean that ti
> > > can refer to unpointable things in the way that ko'a or da can.
> >
> > This "pointing" stuff is just a metaphor---stop paying so much
> > attention to it. ti/ta/tu can represent anything which has a
> > (conceptual or real) distance from the speaker, or the spoken-to.
>
> Ah, so you think I can refer to my birth as being "tu" from me, because it
> was a long time ago. Or that I can refer to cigarette smoking as "tu"
> from me, because since I hate it, it is conceptually "far" from me.
I don't think your birth is conceptually far from you. I think
ti/ta/tu can't be time related, furthermore.
Cigarette smoking is an abstract concept. I could refer to *your*
cigarette smoking as "ta". If you're obsessed with the pointing
metaphor, this is obvious by the fact that I can point at a cigarette
you're holding (refering not to the cigarette, but to the event of
you smoking it).
> I don't know why you think ti can do this, I know you didn't get this from
> the book -- I keep going back to the chapter to see what might have led
> you astray or what I might have forgotten -- I think you're now arguing
> for its own sake and I have nothing left to repeat on the topic.
You're clearly ignoring what I'm saying (I never said I think ti
can do that), so I'm done also.
--
Jordan DeLong - fracture@hidden.email
lu zo'o loi censa bakni cu terzba le zaltapla poi xagrai li'u
sei la mark. tuen. cusku
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