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On Sun, Dec 15, 2002 at 07:09:59PM -0500, Invent Yourself wrote:
> On Sun, 15 Dec 2002, Jordan DeLong wrote:
> > On Sun, Dec 15, 2002 at 09:27:43PM -0000, And Rosta wrote:
> > > Jordan:
> > > > On Sun, Dec 15, 2002 at 02:27:56PM -0000, And Rosta wrote:
> > > > > Jordan:
> > [...]
> > > > > > I disagree. o-gadri are out, regardless of the membership of lo'i
> > > > > > stedu be mi, because I am talking about a specific thing.
> > > > >
> > > > > Certainly if you intend to refer to a +specific thing, i.e. something
> > > > > involving le'i, then o-gadri are out. But one can speak of someone's
> > > > > head without referring to it
> > > >
> > > > We're talking about refering to it. One ought not to make claims
> > > > about their head without refering to it. Claims without refering
> > > > to it should be limited to claims of its existence
> > >
> > > I think we need to concretize which expressions we agree count as
> > > referring, and which are permissible in talking about someone's head.
> > >
> > > As things stand, I cannot see why one ought not to make claims about
> > > someone's head without using a +specific or LA gadri or ko'a-series
> > > KOhA, which is how I would tend to interpret the term 'referring
> > > expression'.
> >
> > Because stuff like
> > lo stedu be mi cu cmalymau lo'e plini
> > suggests I have multiple heads.
>
>
> Not to me. These words have meanings, they are not arbitrary algebraic
> symbols. If a human being mentions his head, I will assume that he's
> discussing his one and only head. Only the worst, uncooperative
[...]
Well; let's take english, where there's a *right* answer which is
(at least moreso) undeniable. If I say
A head of mine is small.
or
One of my heads is small.
it suggests that I have more than one head. This shows that
regardless of what is true on the issue of le vs lo, your argument
that "The fact that we're talking about human heads makes it always
+specific" is bogus.
--
Jordan DeLong - fracture@hidden.email
lu zo'o loi censa bakni cu terzba le zaltapla poi xagrai li'u
sei la mark. tuen. cusku
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