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la nitcion cusku di'e
OK, what's the deal with this lo'e? It was a recent debate on jboske, and a hectic one at that, but it looks like And's myopic singulariser won over Jorge's intensional article (though they may converge yet.)
They are equivalent as far as I'm concerned, though I have not
been able to persuade anyone of this as yet. I don't have a
problem with the singulariser story being taken as the basic
one.
I agree with you about {lo'e nu}. As for {du'u}:
So, when you know that Fred swims, you know a claim, not an event. And
just like events, claims are specific; they have all their arguments
filled. So you can know the propositions: {mi djuno ledu'u la fred.
limna la pacifikas de'i li 2002pi'e5pi'e1}, and {mi djuno ledu'u la
fred. limna la atlantikas de'i li 2001pi'e3pi'e15}, and {mi djuno
ledu'u la fred. limna la .indikas de'i li 2001pi'e7pi'e14}.
Yes, you could know those things, but you could also know that Fred swims, a specific fact about Fred (not about a specific event), without knowing about any of those specific events.
And then,
you can squint, and induce a generalisation: {mi djuno lo'edu'u la
fred. limna}. {limna ma}? The question is invalid. You're not making a
claim about a particular swim, in a particular body of liquid. You're
generalising.
But it would still be a single fact, {du'u la djan ta'e limna} or
something. I would use {le du'u} both for the fact about a
specific event and for the (specific) fact about a generic
event. And would use {lo'e du'u} for both. The idea is that
for any <bridi> there is always one and only one {du'u <bridi>},
so it makes no difference which article we use. Whichever article
we normally use for singleton categories is the most appropriate,
in my case it is {le}.
That is not the only possible view. It might be argued that
{lo'i du'u <bridi>} is not necessarily always a singleton.
It depends on how the scope of {zo'e} works with respect to
{du'u} I suppose.
mu'o mi'e xorxes
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