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On Thu, 7 Nov 2002 pycyn@hidden.email wrote:
> In a message dated 11/6/2002 4:21:17 PM Central Standard Time,
> xod@hidden.email writes:
> <<
> > jei can't deal with counting the number of things in the bag unless you
> > want to get surreal and say that 0 = empty bag, and 1 = bag contains
> > entire universe. I never chose to do that.
> >>
> This makes sense -- after a fashion -- as a quantity-truth correlation for
> "The bag is full", {le dakli cu culno}, though I think a percentage relation
> would be more natural -- bags do get full sometimes. But I take it that this
> is all predicated on {ni} being about counting and {ni ce'u culno} might very
> well be (thoug, again, percentages make more sense). But that is an odd case
> and has nothing to do with {ni ce'u nenri le dakli}, which does not count
> anything,
>
> <<
> I feel like this is going in circles, the 3rd iteration or more now, and
> I'd like to see some new arguments,
> >>
> Believe me, we all know just how you feel. Do come up with at least one
> argument -- other than "I use it that way" -- to suggest that {ni} has
> anythign to do with counting or that it is in any way the same as {jei} or
> that, in general, what CLL says and what can be plausibly derived from that
> are all wrong.
You are totally confused about who said what in this thread. I didn't
initiate the argument for counting-ni in this discussion, for instance. I
suggest you read the whole thing from the introduction of this subject
line.
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