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Re: [jboske] The ugly head of ni



In a message dated 11/6/2002 4:21:17 PM Central Standard Time, xod@hidden.email writes:
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jei can't deal with counting the number of things in the bag unless you
want to get surreal and say that 0 = empty bag, and 1 = bag contains
entire universe. I never chose to do that.

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This makes sense -- after a fashion -- as a quantity-truth correlation for "The bag is full", {le dakli cu culno}, though I think a percentage relation would be more natural -- bags do get full sometimes. But I take it that this is all predicated on {ni} being about counting and {ni ce'u culno} might very well be (thoug, again, percentages make more sense).  But that is an odd case and has nothing to do with {ni ce'u nenri le dakli}, which does not count anything,

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I feel like this is going in circles, the 3rd iteration or more now, and
I'd like to see some new arguments,
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Believe me, we all know just how you feel.  Do come up with at least one argument -- other than "I use it that way" -- to suggest that {ni} has anythign to do with counting or that it is in any way the same as {jei} or that, in general, what CLL says and what can be plausibly derived from that are all wrong.