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xod: > What's this about tense sumtcita having "scope over" anything? It affects > the entire bridi, not specific sumti. It should transcend prenex variable > introduction order quantifiers on sumti have scope over the whole bridi too. > How do you determine the effects of le and scope? plain le = ro ds poi cmima le'i > Where does the book say that lo broda === da poi broda, that is, that lo > broda should be treated like it introduces a prenex variable? I would like > to hear John Cowan's views on this topic i Don't know, but CLL is a reference grammar, to a large extent didactic in function, and does not necessarily set down in print all the lore accumulated on lojban list over the years. --And.