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The point about xorxes came home when he commented that we got into trouble using {lo'e} in first position when it was usually elsewhere.
Let me clarify that a little. I have no problem at all with {lo'e} in x1. My doubts are about translating that into English as subject rather than predicate. So, for example, I would translate {lo'e remna cu zmadu ti} as "this is man-made", and not as "the typical human made this". "Humans made this" also works as a translation though, but it is not really meant as a property of humans, it doesn't really say that humans are such that they made this.
Of course, I think that there is an easier way to do this -- defining in terms of {tu'a} in particular, though that does not extend topredicates that don't take abstractions. On the other hand, I am not at all sure why we would want those terms elsewhere anyhow: I don't see hitting such a man, for example (making do allowance for the mess the metaphor makes "anyman, it does not matter which) as something I would or could do -- though Ican imagine wanting to do it and so on -- back in the original context again.
For example: la djan cu darxi lo'e nanmu ze'a le jeftu John has been hitting men all week.
(I also amcurious to see what the {kairbroda} generalization will be of predicates that normally take abstract arguments -- I suspect that we will find that our oldfamiliar predicates are the {kair} forms really, and "the real" predicates are the ones that take xorxes' sumti.)
I could answer that if you thought that my definitions make sense. If you can't make sense of them, it is pointless that I try to explain cases in terms of them to you. I don't request that you approve of the definitions, you may very well think that {lo'e} should be defined some other way, but if you don't even understand them, how can we discuss their ramifications. mu'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________Get faster connections�-- switch to�MSN Internet Access! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp